In addition to the response by Mr. Tanaka, Ms. Sharma mentioned that there are a number of human rights instruments both international and regional containing provisions relating to prison officers and their working conditions. They outline requirements for example the selection process of prison staffs, recruitment, standards, adequate remuneration, and benefits. These are provisions founded in Mandela and Bangkok Rules, Rules for the Protection of Juveniles, basic principles in the use of force and firearms for law enforcement officials, international treaties such as the Convention of the Elimination of Discrimination Against Women (CEDAW) and the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination (ICERD). There are references to provisions to ensure safety and security as well as a level of expertise of prison officials and staffs and basic prerequisite of them having both technical and substantive knowledge in prison management. IV. Mr. Ganesan, National Anti-Drug Agency, Malaysia had raised a question about guidelines on the management of transgender prisoners in prison or places of detention. Ms. Verma reiterated that the Mandela Rules do not explicitly spell out transgender prisoners.66 However, they recognise the principle of nondiscrimination and that she would be happy to guide the audience through provisions, rules and standards that refer or address the rights of transgender people in prisons,67 but she fears that it will take the entire session by itself. She expressed her willingness to connect with the audience after the discussion to find some way of looking at good practices applied in jurisdictions and where specific references be made to address needs and challenges and identity of transgender people. V. Ms. Celia, Department of Prison, Malaysia addressed her question to Ms. Wachira about paralegals among prison inmates to assist other inmates regarding legal matters. What made Justice Defenders come up with the idea to train paralegals among prison inmates in Kenya? Ms. Wachira in her response said that Justice Defenders work closely with the Prison Service, Kenya. Earlier in 2010, a minister in-charge of the prison department came out with the open-door policy which allowed NGOs to offer various services to prisons so the Prison Service, Kenya is very open to NGOs contributing or offering services to prisons. Justice Defenders conduct interviews and trainings for both inmates and prison officers and facilitate digital justice or virtual quotes. According to Ms. Wachira, more prisons can be trained with virtual trainings. 66 At the time when Mandela Rules were drafted and followed by the Bangkok Rules, the question of different identity or sexual orientation were not even considered at that point of time. Keeping in mind that it was drafted during a time when the majority of the prison population being male. 67 There are the Yogyakarta Principles and other UN Standards and Guidelines which look at ensuring and promoting access of justice for individuals regardless of their sexual orientation and gender identity. 35