118.2. Norhaya� then asked him to move his motorcycle out of sight and to follow her up the external staircase to the verandah on the first floor. Her daughter, Nur Amirah joined them at the verandah. Sgt Shamzaini ini�ally sat on the top of the stairs. However, when he saw the lights of a police car on patrol along the road, he moved further down the staircase so that he could not be seen from the road. Norhaya� and Nur Amirah sat on the floor of the verandah . 118.3. While at the verandah, Sgt Shamzaini introduced himself as "Sham" and showed Norhaya� and Nur Amirah his iden�ty card and the Police iden�fica�on card. He told them that he was a Sergeant with the Special Branch, Kangar, Perlis under the command of ASP Razman. 118.4. According to Norhaya�, Sgt Shamzaini came to see her to give her informa�on on Amri Che Mat’s disappearance. He told her that the Perlis Police and ASP Razman had intended to arrest Amri Che Mat for his Shia ac�vi�es and illegal Forex trading. However, without ASP Razman's knowledge, Amri Che Mat was taken away by a team from the Special Branch in Bukit Aman, Kuala Lumpur under the command of Dato’ Awaludin Jadid. 118.5. When Sgt Shamzaini told her about the abduc�on by the Special Branch team, Norhaya� asked him about Raymond. Sgt Shamzaini told her that Raymond was abducted by the same team for prosely�sing Chris�anity amongst the Muslims. He told her that that team was also under the command of Dato’ Awaludin Jadid. 118.6. Norhaya� tes�fied that Sgt Shamzaini informed her that the then IGP, Tan Sri Khalid bin Abu Bakar was aware of the opera�on. He also told her that the then Perlis Chief Police Officer, Dato’ Ab Rashid and the former Head of Special Branch in Perlis, one "Mat Ali" were also aware of the opera�on. The opera�on was crude and the dumping of Amri Che Mat’s car was unplanned. 39 PASTOR RAYMOND KOH her door, and she asked who it was. Sgt Shamzaini did not answer immediately but asked her if she was Norhaya�. When she confirmed that she was Norhaya�, Sgt Shamzaini told her that he wanted to speak to her about her husband and that he could not speak to her outside the house.