[implemented] by accident but must be designed in such a way in the work of Komnas HAM as a whole”.49 Additionally, Hartono also discussed the issue of the budget by saying that the budget needs to be viewed from the perspective of how human resources are managed optimally, and not only related to the amount of the budget.50 On a different occasion, Sandrayati Moniaga (Commissioner for Study and Research) expressed that the SDGs are multi-stakeholder in nature and require collaboration from many parties.51 The government cannot act alone, the government needs the judicial sectors, the legislative sectors, and needs to increase the SDGs collaborations with elements of society, such as with civil society, associations, multinational corporations, and universities.52 2.2.6. How Does Sharing Experiences Between Human Rights Institutions Benefit the Implementation and Optimization of SDGs? In principle, according to Fathya, sharing experiences is definitely a benefit.53 Hartono gave an example, such as the partnership with the DIHR which was begun in a meeting at an international forum which was continued by the making of a memorandum of understanding between the two human rights institutions and the implementation of activities that were mutually beneficial to the parties.54 Likewise, the collaboration with the UNESCO was also initiated in a meeting at a forum.55 It was also stated that national collaboration is equally important.56 Hartono also said that with the ease of online communication, Komnas HAM increasingly benefits from gaining more knowledge about the SDGs.57 Webinar “Kampanye Internal Sustainable Development Goals di Komnas HAM: Sustainable Development Goals dalam Konteks Pemajuan dan Penegakan HAM di Indonesia” [“Internal Campaign for Sustainable Development Goals at Komnas HAM: Sustainable Development Goals in the Context of Promoting and Enforcement of Human Rights in Indonesia”], 20 December 2021, Hairansyah’s statement, translated by authors, minutes 118-120. 50 DIHR Project Interview - NHRI Role with Indonesia (n. 16). 51 Komnas HAM, “Podcast #EPS 32: SDGs dan Anak Muda” [“Podcast #EPS 32 podcast: SDGs and Youth”], YouTube video”, minutes 19-20, accessed on 29 December 2021, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJPx_cbogYU. See also: Danish Institute for Human Rights, “Working with the 2030 Agenda to Promote Human Rights: NHRI Initiatives in the Asia Pacific Region” (n. 10), 14. 52 Ibid. 53 DIHR Project Interview - NHRI Role with Indonesia (n. 16). 54 Ibid. 55 Ibid. 56 Ibid. 57 Ibid. 8 49